Comments on: 10 statements that will help you FAIL as a Christian http://rkweblog.com/2009/10/10-statements-that-will-help-you-fail-as-a-christian.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=10-statements-that-will-help-you-fail-as-a-christian A conversation on faith & culture for creatives, leaders & influencers Mon, 21 May 2012 21:00:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: tom kerr http://rkweblog.com/2009/10/10-statements-that-will-help-you-fail-as-a-christian.html/comment-page-1/#comment-5865 tom kerr Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:45:57 +0000 http://rkweblog.com/?p=2287#comment-5865 Thank you for being a authentic human being. Thank you for being a authentic human being.

]]> By: Rich Kirkpatrick http://rkweblog.com/2009/10/10-statements-that-will-help-you-fail-as-a-christian.html/comment-page-1/#comment-5864 Rich Kirkpatrick Mon, 12 Oct 2009 05:14:08 +0000 http://rkweblog.com/?p=2287#comment-5864 see my response to Karen... I agree that it is that there is MORE to the statement which is the issue see my response to Karen… I agree that it is that there is MORE to the statement which is the issue

]]> By: Rich Kirkpatrick http://rkweblog.com/2009/10/10-statements-that-will-help-you-fail-as-a-christian.html/comment-page-1/#comment-5863 Rich Kirkpatrick Mon, 12 Oct 2009 05:12:46 +0000 http://rkweblog.com/?p=2287#comment-5863 been there, too been there, too

]]> By: Rich Kirkpatrick http://rkweblog.com/2009/10/10-statements-that-will-help-you-fail-as-a-christian.html/comment-page-1/#comment-5862 Rich Kirkpatrick Mon, 12 Oct 2009 05:11:59 +0000 http://rkweblog.com/?p=2287#comment-5862 Fool? NO! The mentioned wording is simply not clear on its own. The terminology is one issue, yes. The idea that simply saying "I asked Jesus into my heart" means being a Christian is what is on question. Its faith in Christ, not a sinners prayer or certain words. John 1:12-13 says being born of God (born again) is the result of receiving Jesus and believing in him. The context is that his own people (the Jewish people of the day) did not receive him, but those who do have eternal life. So, this is not heresy at all to say, just not clear as to what the gospel is. The gospel, as we Evangelical-leaning Christians would say is the trust in Jesus for our justification based on the work of Christ (atonement) on the cross. It is not really a biblical term to say "ask Jesus into my heart" by itself without the understanding of Jesus paying our debt and trusting in him alone by faith. Fool? NO! The mentioned wording is simply not clear on its own.

The terminology is one issue, yes. The idea that simply saying “I asked Jesus into my heart” means being a Christian is what is on question. Its faith in Christ, not a sinners prayer or certain words.

John 1:12-13 says being born of God (born again) is the result of receiving Jesus and believing in him. The context is that his own people (the Jewish people of the day) did not receive him, but those who do have eternal life.

So, this is not heresy at all to say, just not clear as to what the gospel is. The gospel, as we Evangelical-leaning Christians would say is the trust in Jesus for our justification based on the work of Christ (atonement) on the cross. It is not really a biblical term to say “ask Jesus into my heart” by itself without the understanding of Jesus paying our debt and trusting in him alone by faith.

]]> By: Matt Anderson http://rkweblog.com/2009/10/10-statements-that-will-help-you-fail-as-a-christian.html/comment-page-1/#comment-5860 Matt Anderson Mon, 12 Oct 2009 04:38:33 +0000 http://rkweblog.com/?p=2287#comment-5860 I fear that I have fallen into using these phrases or 'creeds' before. although #5 is one I might struggle with. I am not one to simplify theology and faith, but I think the idea that those that say this is true. There is more to it, and the 'FAIL' is to just leave it at that. I have noticed a lot of evangelists say something like this leave it at that, and then we have a lot of un-educated and spiritually stunted saved folks running around . . . sorry for the rant . . . (50 dkp minus?) I fear that I have fallen into using these phrases or ‘creeds’ before. although #5 is one I might struggle with. I am not one to simplify theology and faith, but I think the idea that those that say this is true. There is more to it, and the ‘FAIL’ is to just leave it at that. I have noticed a lot of evangelists say something like this leave it at that, and then we have a lot of un-educated and spiritually stunted saved folks running around . . . sorry for the rant . . . (50 dkp minus?)

]]> By: Rick http://rkweblog.com/2009/10/10-statements-that-will-help-you-fail-as-a-christian.html/comment-page-1/#comment-5859 Rick Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:59:05 +0000 http://rkweblog.com/?p=2287#comment-5859 I've been guilty of many of those attitudes and beliefs at different times of my life. Interesting that those are the same times when I've felt most confident in my spirituality, but have been as far away from God has a person could be. I’ve been guilty of many of those attitudes and beliefs at different times of my life. Interesting that those are the same times when I’ve felt most confident in my spirituality, but have been as far away from God has a person could be.

]]> By: karen http://rkweblog.com/2009/10/10-statements-that-will-help-you-fail-as-a-christian.html/comment-page-1/#comment-5855 karen Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:15:56 +0000 http://rkweblog.com/?p=2287#comment-5855 Rich, I quiver to ask for fear that I'll look the fool, but, what's wrong with number five? It is a true statement. Is it the phrasing? "into my heart" .... ....sounds very kindergartenerish, but is common terminology for the "action" of asking Christ into your life. Rich,
I quiver to ask for fear that I’ll look the fool,
but, what’s wrong with number five? It is a true statement.
Is it the phrasing? “into my heart” ….
….sounds very kindergartenerish,
but is common terminology
for the “action” of asking Christ into your life.

]]> By: Rich Kirkpatrick http://rkweblog.com/2009/10/10-statements-that-will-help-you-fail-as-a-christian.html/comment-page-1/#comment-5841 Rich Kirkpatrick Sat, 10 Oct 2009 04:55:05 +0000 http://rkweblog.com/?p=2287#comment-5841 I have actually heard these uttered...gasp! I have actually heard these uttered…gasp!

]]> By: kim http://rkweblog.com/2009/10/10-statements-that-will-help-you-fail-as-a-christian.html/comment-page-1/#comment-5839 kim Sat, 10 Oct 2009 01:43:42 +0000 http://rkweblog.com/?p=2287#comment-5839 Interesting that it's rare to hear anyone actually say these things out loud as their theology, but it's not rare to see people living as though this is what they believe. Interesting that it’s rare to hear anyone actually say these things out loud as their theology, but it’s not rare to see people living as though this is what they believe.

]]> By: Bridget Willard http://rkweblog.com/2009/10/10-statements-that-will-help-you-fail-as-a-christian.html/comment-page-1/#comment-5830 Bridget Willard Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:56:35 +0000 http://rkweblog.com/?p=2287#comment-5830 That is a quote from Ghandi. It's not a Bible verse. That is a quote from Ghandi. It’s not a Bible verse.

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